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Posted Tuesday January 9, 2007 - 17 years ago (#27943)
Music Politic Theory.

I have a good beer and a full pack of cigarettes so here I go.
I've been thinking about this allot, as i’m sure you have as well.
I've been in the music industry for a while I think considering my Age.
I've been recording scence 12, and doing shows at 15.
Left on my first tour at 18.

One question. What happened to the art of this thing we call music?
To be "successful" means you have to have a fan base.
But I look around and see some of the largest band doesn’t seem to have much to them.

I've also noticed, as I got more confident, that how you act, dress, and project makes all the difference. Some of the best response I got from shows is when I wear tight clothes and thrash around a lot.
It turns into a physical thing. Look at his butt.
Look at his but. It’s nice.
Don’t get me wrong I’m glade you like my but. Ya know? I grew it myself, but what about what you’re hearing.
I hate to buy into that but it has helped my fan base. Which fucking sucks.
It sucks to have to add something to get peoples attention. I get more fan mail a day, about my Hair or body then about the music. What happened?
What happened to passion?

But then I think about this fact.
Even 5 years ago, it was much harder to have a band.
Sure you can get you’re friends and some guitars and drums, and play shows but recording was a lot harder.
Now days its very easy to record with all the crazy technology coming out.
Its awesome, you can literally download old keyboards.
And you can have a program to record in, that has pre EQ and everything.
It makes it sound tight without doing anything. Awesome right?
It is. Don’t get me wrong, but that also creates the problem that anyone can do it.
Which makes more bands with that capability just like you.

So now we got all these bands, they all have music, and cd’s you can buy for 5 bucks a pop.
Then we got the listeners, who (how I mentioned earlier) are not very interested in the music aspect. (I’m not saying all people mind you).
So how do you stick out?
Again it comes back to the whole physical aspect of it.
Look at Kiss. They got there faces all painted up, but imagine if they didn’t do that?
I can think of many bands that sound just like em.
It set them apart.
Even better example: SlipKnot.

So I got a problem, Cuz i'm not going to paint my face and hop around on stage. =D

Electronic Music

So now we got all these problems.
And now, you’re an electronic musician.
I think this is a hard type of music to do, not only cuz there’s a million different types of electronic, but it dose not have a huge following.

There are very few major electronic labels, and even less for industrial type stuff.
And you look at the popular electronic music, and its all DJS. And the artist’s that creates the music their playing or mixing gets no credit or very little.
Do you have to show off your butt to get attention?
It seems to me, one of the hardest things about promoting your self is finding something that sets you apart for the millions of other bands out that. Wither its wearing tight pants or a gas mask.
Me and Gary, from Dismantled have been talking about this very thing, and i’m wondering. What brings you back to a show?

When do you call it quits? When do you pass it off like a hobby and get that 9 to 5 job and drink on the weekends?

Sometimes it seems all the great themes have been used up and turned into theme parks.

But I have to say personally I will die trying if nothing else.

What do you guys think? Lets talk Music Politic Theory.
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Posted Wednesday January 10, 2007 - 17 years ago (#27945)
Come on guys!
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Posted Thursday January 11, 2007 - 17 years ago (#27949)
I would rather speak about this with you in person. E-mail me your shit soon.
"Sometimes you can give more of an impression by the things that you don't say." - Jack Dangers
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Posted Thursday January 11, 2007 - 17 years ago (#27950)
Hey guys,

You all know that I'm just a fan, but I'm gonna add my 2 cents anyway. I know nothing about the music industry, but I know a fair amount about the writing/publishing industry, and almost everything Raine said would apply to that with equal force. I also know that it hasn't always been this way: historically, a lot changed in the publishing world in the early 80s. Perhaps something similar is happening in the world of music now?

In terms of the electronic scene, I think Raine's comments are right on the mark. The stuff I mainly listen to (EBM, electronic goth, demoscene tracks) is very accessible and easy to get into compared with most electronic music, and yet the majority of people I interact with just don't get it. It's like, if it isn't rave-style techno, there's just no place for it. I don't understand this; even things I am not a huge fan of, I enjoy being exposed to, especially in a live venue, but I seem to be quite unusual in that regard....

Raine-Vivian said:
Some of the best response I got from shows is when I wear tight clothes and thrash around a lot.

One thing I would say, tho: as a particular fan of live music, while I don't count on there being tight pants on my musicians, I would like to see some thrashing, or other evidence of excitement. One problem I have with electronic shows, and ESPECIALLY when there's a lot of goths in the croud, is the lack of dancing/movement. I know I'm a sucky dancer, but I still think that's bette than standing rigid/ignoring what's going on. The musicians, I think, should also look like they're into it. I'm not trying to argue, just my viewpoint.

So, one question I would ask, just throwing this out there: do you guys perform music because you love MUSIC, or because you love to PERFORM? I'm not trying to say anything, just wondering....
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Posted Thursday January 11, 2007 - 17 years ago (#27951)
Now that I reread this, it sounds argumentative -- I didn't mean to sound that way, because actually I 100% agree with Raine on this.
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Posted Thursday January 11, 2007 - 17 years ago (#27952)
Well, I can say its all about the music for my live.
I love playing live. Everything about it. other then politics with some bands. But once you're up there its hard to care about much other then the music.
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Posted Thursday January 11, 2007 - 17 years ago (#27953)
Cheii! put in your 2 cents motha fucka! we need to hook up somtime soon! my numbers 842-5467
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Posted Friday January 12, 2007 - 17 years ago (#27954)
hmm..

success is measured by the individual. i think. how you act and look definitely can effect peoples perception of you as a musical package. but those people arent really interested in the music. i think i believe in more quality not quantity. i could care less about money and fame.

most anybody with a a bit of skill can get makeup and a marketing team and production and with a little financial backing, get airplay and even on mtv. but how many people will you see or hear in your life that make your hair standup and give you goosebumps!? not many.

yeh, rock is totally done, so is electronic music and lots of other types of music. thankfully, humans are forgetfull and crave standing in front of the fan of perfectual infinity. so it will keep going on. always changing but always the same.

but, the guitar is far from done!

electronic music is huge. watch tv? pretty much every commercial on tv features electronic music. the dance scene is and prolly always will be huge in europe. people love to dance and party. internet radio stations are abundant man, there is definitely alot of interest still.

alot has been done.. but i believe there is massive room for combining and expansion. and if you listen to the same old stuff you may not get a good picture of all whats out there. widen out man. get rhythm. latin, zydeco, dream trance, mambo. just plug in and forget about the boundaries that are set before you and you may find they are just that, imaginary boundaries. anything is possible man. thats where im at. i believe i COULD do something completely unique. because... i AM completely unique. the rest is a matter of money and time.

more tools top me means more possibilities. more ways to create whats in your head and explore things that are not. like i said, people are STILL hammering away at the guitar bro.... it still all hasnt been done with that ONE instrument! thats how many possibilities there are!

if you wear baggy clothes and dig through a dumpster then go onstage, someone may not like your "music". but i think both know that just shows you what they are about. kurt cobain. looked like he shopped at the dumpster man. but people loved his music and the heart that he poured into his simple songs influenced a generation and changed the world really. elvis said something like, 3 chords and a red guitar? SOMETHING like that anyways. its not about what you play. its about HOW you play it. its not what you have but how you use it. believe in yourself and what you are playing, and other people will believe in it too thats just my two cents.
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Posted Friday January 12, 2007 - 17 years ago (#27955)
express yourself man. as madonna said.

im not saying its wrong to sell out. i appreciate production and marketing and the need to pay the rent and the desire to have stuff. but think.
the second you consciously TRY to achieve success, your music becomes a fraud. in a way.

personally. im not going to spend my life chasing after success. iv stared down that road for a long time before. and it can leave you pretty unfulfilled in my eyes. there are things id much rather spend my life chasing and learning and becoming rather than a picture of what people i dont even know think is cool. thats just me man.
the world can bend to what i believe is cool and success.
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Posted Friday January 12, 2007 - 17 years ago (#27956)
the worlds view and standards of success are constantly changing. what they want you to be.

me. i have mostly always been honest. i am a fiercely loyal friend. i am reliable. i have always helped my friends with whatever means i have had. most of the time, i put others before myself. those are some of the things i consider a success.

as far as music goes. i always had one bar for success and one bar that was a dream.

the first bar and ultimate measure of success for myself musically was this. if ONE person, some kid, sat in his room tripping or meditating, whatever, listening to myu music, chose to listen to MY music, that was my measure of success.

the dream. playing in front of a massive or large crowd.

i was definitely successful in my ultimate goal and measure. and partly in the second dream. butfor that 5 minutes. when friends and strangers put my disc on at parties or home alone. i became a part of them, and thier thoughts, and dreams. i was a success.

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