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Posted Friday May 30, 2003 - 19 years ago (#7364)
As many of you know, I am in the process of building a live electronic percussion setup, and am in need of some technical help. I would like to post what i'm thinking in hopes that some of you can let me know if there is a better way to accomplish what I want to do.

ELECTRONIC DRUM TRIGGERS
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Currently looking at the affordable mesh-head triggers by PinTech and Hart Dynamics. Exception being i'll probably get a rubber-pad trigger for the hi-hat pad. I'll also probably go all single-trigger, as I think I can live without rimshots on the snare and hitting the bell of the ride seperate from the edge. If anyone has an opinion about PinTech and/or Hart Dynamic triggers, please lemme know!

ALESIS DM PRO DRUM BRAIN
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Not only does this unit come with 1600+ drum sounds, but you can load your own sounds into it. Most importantly, it comes with 6 outputs. You can select which output each drum is sent through, which excites me to no end.

8 CHANNEL MIXER
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I'm considering picking up a RANE SM-82 rackmout mixer, running each output of the alesis through a seperate channel so that I can use the sends for applying individual fx.

PEDAL CONTROLLED FX MODULES
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Running each send from the mixer to an fx pedal. Right now I have no idea what to look at for pedal effects, and would love to hear what y'all have to say.

SUMMARY
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In essence, each trigger would be routed through it's own channel of a mixer, with pedal controlled effects for each channel. If there is anything else you guys think I could do to enhance the flexibility of this setup in a live environment, please let me know what ya think!
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Posted Saturday May 31, 2003 - 19 years ago (#7377)
I have just this one bit of info on electronic percussion..... STAY AWAY FROM YAMAHA!!!!!! FOR THE LOVE OF FUCKING GOD STAY AWAY!!!!!
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Posted Saturday May 31, 2003 - 19 years ago (#7381)


chuckle
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Posted Wednesday June 4, 2003 - 19 years ago (#7469)
I have good news y'all, I sold my soul to satan yesterday and have begun ordering components to build a setup very similar to the one I described above. That means i'll be on the prowl for electronic freaks to jam live with in the near future. WOOT!
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Posted Wednesday June 4, 2003 - 19 years ago (#7470)
i have good news, too. i recently decided to become a drug addict again ... and decided that getting back into music and becoming a raving alcoholic would keep me sane. ironic no?

incidentally, i am so much happier that the bush administration is almost over.
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Posted Wednesday June 4, 2003 - 19 years ago (#7475)
Hmm, new preident... (you inspired me to start a new thread)
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Posted Wednesday June 4, 2003 - 19 years ago (#7479)
I want to molest Hillary Clinton - before whe runs for president... right after I get my "girls on the inside" to message Martha Stewarts breasts in prison. Yes I'm a drummer.

So triggers... I built a trap kit using stainless steel posts and pans I stole from an abandoned high school... I took these little $5 piezo strip triggers and stuck them on the pans... I could trigger screams along with the natural industrial sound of the steel - it was fun and a bitch because the cross-over of those little bastards was to sensitive and so I had to free float the pans from a big frame, instead of mounting them directly to the frame - it was an experiment nonetheless and in the end I enjoyed the sustained resonance of floating the pans.

Now I use a Roland SPD-11 to fuck shit up - I puked on it, dropped it down some stairs once - and did a hundred or so SYSEX dumps to it and it still ticks that little fuckin pad!
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Posted Thursday June 5, 2003 - 19 years ago (#7487)
nice, Kay.. i am thinking mebbe i can come over soon?
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Posted Friday June 6, 2003 - 19 years ago (#7502)
The Idea of seperating the pads into seperate channels will open up worlds for you live. I don't know too much about electronic trigger and the sort yet but I AM a firm believer in the powers of multi tracking and channel mixing. (Buzzwords I love to use, forgive me). ANYWHO... Ive got some Ideas for yer effects comming off each of the channels. The same people that make my Grunge and distortion pedal also make a pedal called "ICEBOX" now I'm not exactly clear on what it is... But I do know how it sounds! I say use that effect for your snare and toms. Possibly even yer Kick. But it would be overkill on cymbals and H-hats.The best way I can think of describing the sound is to call it a "crisper". but that's about as effective as saying "Icebox". Shit! ... My only guess is that it's an exciter of sorts or a really funky auto-7 band EQ/stereo imager. Either way ... it makes shit sound GOOD.

Also... always have an echo or delay that is seperate from any other "built-in" effect. Seperate control of the echo/delay (I perfer echo myself , and yes there is a difference) will make you stain yer shorts. It's a necessity for electronic musicians,.. just like the distortion pedal. (SkinPup/Mintry RULES!!!)

I'm sure if you prod efesar long enough, you might get him to give you some info on how the chorus and pitch shifters would give a fuller body to yer toms. I would also consider using a flange on kicks but thats just cause I kinda like the BOOM that some hip-hop/rap music carries with it.

I'm sure I'll think of a LOT more after I post this post, but I'll shut my YAP and let somebody else jump in on the feedback.

Good luck with that shit.:)8)
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Posted Friday June 6, 2003 - 19 years ago (#7509)
Cheshire said: The Idea of seperating the pads into seperate channels will open up worlds for you live. I dnotallowed_on't know too much about electronic trigger and the sort yet but I AM a firm believer in the powers of multi tracking and channel mixing. (Buzzwords I love to use, forgive me).

That is a relief to hear, because since I posted this I have actually started to build the setup. Currently I have 3 rackmount modules; a RackRider power conditioner/light, a rolls RM203x 10 channel mixer, and an alesis dm pro drum module. I have a 5 piece hart trigger kit on it's way on a UPS truck as well, but have not received it yet.

I discovered the Alesis is fully stereo, therefore my output (to maintain stereo output) is not going to be 6 individuals, but rather two sets of stereo, and two mono, so 4 total outputs. Additionally, my mixer has one global send/return so I could put an FX processor there as well, then set the send level of each channel appropriately.

Additionally, the Alesis has a much more robust FX processor onboard than I had expected, which includes reverb, overdrive, delay, pitch, chorus, flange, resonator, and equalizer. Even with these on-board per-drum FX, I still realize the importance of external effects that can be used in the scope of a song rather than on an individual sound.

The same people that make my Grunge and distortion pedal also make a pedal called "ICEBOX" now I'm not exactly clear on what it is... But I do know how it sounds! I say use that effect for your snare and toms. Possibly even yer Kick. But it would be overkill on cymbals and H-hats.The best way I can think of describing the sound is to call it a "crisper". but that's about as effective as saying "Icebox". Shit! ... My only guess is that it's an exciter of sorts or a really funky auto-7 band EQ/stereo imager. Either way ... it makes shit sound GOOD.

Must be a killer effect! I tried searching for "ice box effects processor" and notallowed_only found a pedal device that is a stereo chorus:

[EM_FX64.jpg @ www.activemusician.com in /images/store/full]

Please let me know if this is what you were talking about, and if not, maybe some more info that might help me check one out online.

Always have an echo or delay that is seperate from any other "built-in" effect. Seperate control of the echo/delay (I perfer echo myself , and yes there is a difference) will make you stain yer shorts. It's a necessity for electronic musicians,.. just like the distortion pedal. (SkinPup/Mintry RULES!!!)

Hmm, I was not aware that echo and delay were two different things. I'm sure it would be difficult to describe in text, but if you think you can explain the difference, i'd love to know!

I would also consider using a flange on kicks but thats just cause I kinda like the BOOM that some hip-hop/rap music carries with it.

Another great suggestion! Thanks for your input, I have been hoping that someone with some experience would want to chat about this with me.

Your message has given rise to a several new questions. I have decided to make a seperate post after this one to ask them to keep things simple...

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